Performance timings found in scores from Karl Grunsky's Nachlass (1871 - 1943)














Grunsky noted timings with an accuracy up to a quarter of a minute, sometimes using thirds of a minute.
Values have been converted to decimal notation for summing purposes.







Conductors:





Karl Pohlig (1864 - 1928)
Student of Franz Liszt, conducted the first complete performance of the 6th symphony in Stuttgart, March 14, 1901,
conductor of the Piladelphia Orchestra 1907-12


Max von Schillings (1868 - 1933)
Conducted the premiere of Zemlinsky's Florentinische Tragödie in Stuttgart in 1917 (http://www.radix.net/~dalila/operas/zemlinsky.html)
Generalmusikdirektor at the Hoftheater in Stuttgart 1908-18, Intendant of the Berlin State Opera 1919-25


Fritz Busch (1890-1951) Generalmusikdirektor and Hofkapellmeister in Stuttgart 1918-1922

Carl Leonhardt






Work Year Date Conductor Timings (mn, decimal) Total Comments Source
1st Symphony 1926 9-Jan-1926 Leonhardt 15 16 8 16 55,0 Scherzo: 4 + 1.5 + 2.5 1st Doblinger (org)
1st Symphony 1926 10-Jan-1926 "Gressfßnal" ? 15 13,5 8 15 51,5 Conductor's name as "Gressfßnal" in the 3rd. No idea what the actual word was...
II marked "13/14", III marked "8-"
1st Doblinger (org)
1st Symphony 1926 11-Jan-1926 "Auff" 14,5 13,5 7,5 15 50,5 "Auff" is short for "Aufführung" - "performance".
9 & 10 Jan 26 could have been rehearsals.
1st Doblinger (org)
1st Symphony 1930 19-May-1930 Hahn 12,5 10,5 7,5 13,5 44,0   1st Doblinger (org)
1st Symphony ? ? Andreae 11 12,5 7 12 42,5   1st Doblinger (org)
2nd Symphony 1907 26-Mar-1907 Pohlig 15 15 7 15 52,0   2nd Doblinger (org)
2nd Symphony 1926 8-Apr-1926 Kahn 19 15 6 14 54,0   2nd Doblinger (org)
2nd Symphony 1926 27-Oct-1926 Wolff 16 11 6,25 13,5 46,8 Werner Wolff - Adagio marked "11+" 2nd Doblinger (org)
2nd Symphony 1929 22-Feb-1929 ? 21 16 6,75 15 58,8 Probably Leonhardt as on 24.02.29 2nd Doblinger (org)
2nd Symphony 1929 24-Feb-1929 Leonhardt 19,25 15,25 7 15,5 57,0 Scherzo marked "7+" 2nd Doblinger (org)
2nd Symphony 1929 25-Feb-1929 ? 19,75 16,5 6,75 16 59,0 Leonhardt again ? 2nd Doblinger (org)
3rd Symphony 1923 17-Apr-1923 Boehe (?) 21,5 15,5 8 13,75 58,8 Not absolutely sure about reading "Boehe" 3rd Rättig (org)
3rd Symphony 1926 10-Jun-1926 Hahn 24,5 17 6,5 12 60,0   3rd Rättig (org)
3rd Symphony 1927 8-Jan-1927 Leonhardt 20,5 16 4,66 14 55,2 Scherzo & Trio only for III 3rd Rättig (org)
3rd Symphony 1927 9-Jan-1927 Leonhardt 19,5 14,5 6,5 14 54,5   3rd Rättig (org)
3rd Symphony 1927 10-Jan-1927 Leonhardt 18,75 14 6,5 12,5 51,8   3rd Rättig (org)
3rd Symphony 1927 ? Leonhardt 18,5 14,5 6,5 12,5 52,0 No date but together with timings for 8,9,10 Jan 27 3rd Rättig (org)
3rd Symphony 1929 23-Apr-1929 Kahn 20 13 6,5 11,5 51,0 Not Hahn, K and H very different in Grunsky's handwritting 3rd Rättig (org)
3rd Symphony 1935 2-Dec-1935 Hahn 19,5 13,25 6,5 11,33 50,6   3rd Rättig (org)
3rd Symphony ? ? "Gressfßnal" 19,5 14 7,5 15 56,0 Name undecipherable, probably not someone's name,
"Gressfßnal" is just what it very approximately looked like.
Probably Leonhardt.
3rd Rättig (org)
3rd Symphony ? ? Busch 19 16 6 10 51,0 1918-1922 ? 3rd Rättig (org)
3rd Symphony ? ? Schillings 21 12 7 12 52,0 1908-1918 ? 3rd Rättig (org)
4th Symphony 1906 17-Mar-1906 ? 16 18 9 17,5 60,5   4th Gutmann (org)
4th Symphony 1924 17-May-1924 Furtwängler 19 21,5 7,5 17 65,0 III and IV "with cuts" ("mit Kürz.") 4th Eulenburg
4th Symphony 1926 14-Oct-1926 Hahn 19,5 19 11 21 70,5 Rehearsal 4th Gutmann (org)
4th Symphony 1926 14-Oct-1926 Hahn 18 17 9,5 20 64,5 Performance 4th Gutmann (org)
4th Symphony 1931 4-Mar-1931 ? 15,25 15,75 9 18 58,0   4th Peters
4th Symphony 1933 23-Oct-1933 Knappertsbusch 19,75 18,5 9,5 19 66,8 Odeon München, Brucknerfest 4th Gutmann (org)
4th Symphony 1936 29-Nov-1936 Becker 19 17 9 19 64,0 III and IV marked "9+" and "19+" 4th Eulenburg
4th Symphony 1938 29-Jan-1938 Leonh. 18 17 9 20 64,0 Probably Leonhardt 4th Eulenburg
4th Symphony 1938 2-Mar-1938 Hahn 16,5 16 8 17 57,5 III and IV marked "8+" and "17+" 4th Eulenburg
4th Symphony ? ? "Auff" 18 17 9,5 20 64,5 Timings very simíiar to Leonhardt's. "Auff" is short for "Aufführung" 4th Peters
4th Symphony ? ? ? 16,25 17 9,25 19 61,5   4th Eulenburg
4th Symphony ? ? ? 20 19 10 22 71,0 Scherzo timing marked: [10]
Sign before the timings looking like "WF"
4th Gutmann (org)
4th Symphony ? ? ? 15,66 15 7 17,25 54,9 Timings noted with seconds: 15'40 15 7'05 17'14 4th Peters
5th Symphony 1906 15-Nov-1906 Pohlig 18 20 10 20 68,0   5th Doblinger (org)
5th Symphony 1912 7-Mar-1912 Schillings 18,5 15 8 18 59,5 Max von Schillings ? 5th Doblinger (org)
5th Symphony 1927 13-Nov-1927 F. Schalk 21,5 15,5 9,25 18,25 64,5   5th Doblinger (org)
5th Symphony 1927 14-Nov-1927 F. Schalk 22,5 17 9,5 18,75 67,8   5th Doblinger (org)
5th Symphony 1928 23-Jul-1928 Hasse 22,5 18,5 13 19 73,0 Name not very clear, Only "Ha" is certain 5th Doblinger (org)
5th Symphony ? ? Busch 24 17 9,5 - - Stuttgart, 29-30 Apr, 1-2 May,
no year indication (1918-1922?)
5th Doblinger (org)
6th Symphony 1925 17-Oct-1925 Leonhardt 18 17 6 - - Scherzo & Trio only for III 6th Doblinger (org)
6th Symphony 1925 19-Oct-1925 Leonhardt 17 18 9 15 59,0   6th Eulenburg
6th Symphony 1926 3-May-1926 Leonh. 19,5 21 9 16 65,5   6th Eulenburg
6th Symphony 1930 15-Nov-1930 Muck 15 21,5 9 16 61,5 Scherzo: 2.5' Trio: 4' - in Hamburg 6th Eulenburg
6th Symphony 1939 2-Mar-1939 Hahn 18 16,5 9,66 15 59,2 Rehearsal 6th Eulenburg
6th Symphony 1939 2-Mar-1939 Hahn 17,33 16 9 15,5 57,8 Performance 6th Eulenburg
7th Symphony 1919 24-Apr-1919 Busch 20 22 9 13 64,0   7th Gutmann (org)
7th Symphony 1924 14-Jan-1924 Andrei 20 19,5 8 12 59,5 Volkmar Andreae ? 7th Gutmann (org)
7th Symphony 1925 19-Apr-1925 Leonhardt 21 21,5 10 - -   7th Gutmann (org)
7th Symphony 1925 20-Apr-1925 Leonhardt 21,5 25 8,5 12,5 67,5   7th Gutmann Eulenburg
7th Symphony 1928 22-Jan-1928 Knappertsbusch 21,5 25,5 7,25 11,5 65,8   7th Gutmann Eulenburg
7th Symphony 1928 19-May-1928 Furtwängler 20,5 24 8 - -   7th Gutmann Eulenburg
7th Symphony 1928 20-Oct-2028 von Hausegger 18 23 8,25 12,5 61,8 Scherzi: 3 times 2.75' - München 7th Peters
7th Symphony 1935 28-Apr-1935 Schuricht 23,5 25 11 14,5 74,0 in Stuttgart 7th Gutmann Eulenburg
7th Symphony 1935 29-Apr-1935 Schuricht 22,75 24,75 9 14,25 70,8 in Stuttgart 7th Gutmann Eulenburg
7th Symphony ? ? ? 20,5 24 8 13,5 66,0 Detailed timings within movements:
I: Exp. 7' Dev.5.5' Recap. 5' Coda 3'
II: a 5' b 3.5' a 6.5' b 2' a 5' b 2'
III: scherzo 3' trio 2' scherzo 3'
IV: exp. 3.5' dev. 5' recap&coda 5'
7th Gutmann (org)
8th Symphony 1910 13-Jan-1910 ? 15 13 25 19 72,0   8th Haslinger Wien (org)
8th Symphony 1919 14-15 Dec 1919 ? 17 12 31,5 20 80,5 Not next to final timing "Mit N---" or "Mit K---" which could have been "Mit Kürz." for "with cuts" 8th Haslinger Wien (org)
8th Symphony 1921 3-Jul-1921 ? 15-15,5 13-13.5 26.5 - 27 20.5 - 21 76 Scherzo: 4+5+4' 8th Haslinger - "Kleine Partitur"
8th Symphony 1921 10-Oct-1921 ? 15 12 30   -   8th Haslinger - "Kleine Partitur"
8th Symphony 1922 5-Jan-1922 P. Raabe 13 12 24 19 68,0 in Aachen 8th Haslinger - "Kleine Partitur"
8th Symphony 1924 27-Sep-1924 Leonhardt 15 15 24 21 75,0   8th Haslinger - "Kleine Partitur"
8th Symphony 1924 29-Sep-1924 Leonhardt 15 15 26 19 75,0   8th Haslinger - "Kleine Partitur"
8th Symphony 1928 27-Feb-1928 von Hausegger 14 11,5 26 22 73,5 Scherzo: 3,5 + 4,5 + 3,5 8th Haslinger - "Kleine Partitur"
8th Symphony 1928 30-Oct-1928 ? 12,75 11,75 22,5 19 66,0 Scherzo: 4-, 4+, 4-, Finale: 19+ - Weisbach 8th Haslinger - "Kleine Partitur"
8th Symphony ? ? Knappertsbusch 14,5 12 26 24 76,5   8th Peters
8th Symphony ? ? Schalk 15,5 16 25 19 75,5 Scherzo: 6 + 4 + 6 8th Haslinger - "Kleine Partitur"
9th Symphony 1915 18-Nov-1915 ? 25 8,5 23,25   56,8   9th Doblinger (org)
9th Symphony 1926 Sept. 1926 Leonhardt 23,5 9 24   56,5   9th Doblinger (org)
9th Symphony 1929 18-Sep-1929 Leonhardt 24,5 - 26,25   - Adagio marked 26' / 26'1/2 9th Doblinger (org)
9th Symphony 1929 19-Sep-1929 Leonhardt 23,5 9 24   56,5   9th Doblinger (org)
9th Symphony 1929 20-Sep-1929 Leonhardt 22,5 9 24,5   56,0   9th Doblinger (org)
9th Symphony 1930 20-Jan-1930 Leonhardt 24 8,75 24,25   57,0 in Stuttgart 9th Doblinger (org)
E minor mass ? ? ? 60         Kyrie + Gloria 21', Credo 20',
Sanctus + Benedictus 4'1/2, Agnus Dei 7'1/2
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Quintet 1940 13-Oct-1940 Stross 12 7 16,5 8,5 44,0